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529 tips, tricks, insights

529 tips, tricks, insights

kindaFI
kindaFI 633 XP · · 24 replies

I thought I'd start something here regarding 529 accounts and general tips & tricks. So feel free to share or ask anything.

For my part -- Consider Qualified and Unqualified Expenses & have funds for both

We have 529 accounts for our two kids. Now that the first one is in college, it is obvious that we saved a bit too much inside his 529 and not enough outside of it. He got a scholarship (a good thing) that reduces the qualified educational expenses to below what we have in his 529. However, he lost the "on-campus housing lottery" (a bad thing) which means he'll be off-campus over the next three years and we'll be carrying the unqualified portions of his living expenses from our savings. I only share this to suggest that it might have been better to set up a separate taxable account to accompany his 529 and maybe split the funds 80/20 between 529 & taxable. This arrangement would have allowed me to draw only from funds dedicated to him.

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sanfordharty

sanfordharty

8 months ago

Not so much a college hack, more for K-12 private school. We are sending our son part time to a private kindergarten and we are trying to figure out how we can pay for him to go full time next year. One strategy I'm looking at is funding a 529 to pay for the private school. I'd basically put the money into the 529 for the tax deduction and then withdraw it to pay tuition. Thoughts? Suggestions?

largelittlelife

largelittlelife

73 XP

1 year ago

Bumping up this topic ... any tips on 529 drawdown strategies? We have a brand-new HS grad starting college in August.

Currently our 529 is in 90% treasuries; we have enough to cover three years of expenses and can cashflow the rest without loans. This is our only kid, and he's not planning on grad school.

My current thoughts are: (a) use 1/4 of the balance each year, and cashflow the rest; (b) pay in full from the 529 each semester, while putting the cashflowed amount into the 529 for tax-free growth; or (c) pay in full from the 529, but invest the cashflowed amount in a tax-exempt money market for more flexibility and better investment options.

I don't think there is an argument for taking out federal loans (unsubsidized) at current interest rates, but feel free to prove me wrong.

HollyG

HollyG

179 XP

1 year ago

Great questions! I have similar ones as well. We have a senior in HS. Curious what did you end up doing?

largelittlelife

largelittlelife

73 XP

1 year ago

I just made our first payment! It looks like we may be FIREing in the next year or two (a few years earlier than planned), so to cover our bases we decided on option (c). This keeps us liquid and helps us take advantage of lower post-FIRE tax rates or any future aid eligibility. We paid S1 in full from the 529 and are saving for Y4 as part of our monthly budget.

ShannonG

ShannonG

588 XP

1 year ago

The information about Qualified Educational Expenses is really helpful!

I found the section on the IRS website. Thought I'd put the link here in case anyone wants to find it quickly. [

https://www.irs.gov/publications/p970#en_US_2024_publink100077339]

Vincent Sullivan

Vincent Sullivan

606 XP

1 year ago

Very thoughtful analysis. You can move funds, without tax consequences, between qualifying family members, which includes siblings, so maybe that could help your circumstances? Also, you can leave the 529 funded indefinitely, which buys you some time as well. As for qualifying expenses, or QHEE, check IRS Publication 970 and review the categories, as you may have more qualifying expenses than you realize - that may give you a slightly better tax treatment / outcome as well. Hope this helps.

Vincent Sullivan

Vincent Sullivan

606 XP

1 year ago

Just read your note above. Are you familiar with all of the expense categories which qualify as QHEE? You may be pleasantly surprised to see more expenses are qualifying 529 expenses than you realize. I spent several year working in the 529 industry and would be happy to discuss with you further if you're interested. Vince

kindaFI

kindaFI

629 XP

1 year ago

Hi, Sorry for the belated reply - I was on vacation. I need to go read IRS Publication 970 directly as thus far I've only been reading what are effectively summaries. It is my understanding that I can only consider his apartment, utilities, and groceries as QHEE during the period my son is actively attending classes. Thus, while a year has 365 days, his Fall 2025 and Spring 2026 semesters combined represent 228 days. I believe I must use non-529 money to cover the 137 days in which he is not actively enrolled each year (which seems fair enough, I just hadn't really planned properly). The good news is that the school's Cost of Attendance numbers for housing/food are pretty close (slightly higher) than what I expect he will use during his enrollment periods, so the 529 should be almost perfect for those periods.

Vincent Sullivan

Vincent Sullivan

606 XP

1 year ago

QHEE = Qualified Higher Education Expenses. IRS Publication 970 is an excellent resource and provides a breakdown of the expense categories.

LisaB

LisaB

276 XP

1 year ago

Hi Vinsul, I couldn't find QHEE expenses on a quick google search - can you say more or what it stands for? Thanks!

Zekesmoney

Zekesmoney

311 XP

1 year ago

Off campus housing is a qualified expense as long as the amount is underas long as the amount spent is within the college's stated cost of attendance for room and board, even if the student lives off-campus; essentially, you can use your 529 plan to cover off-campus rent up to the amount the college estimates for on-campus housing costs.

kindaFI

kindaFI

629 XP

1 year ago

Yes, and I will use 529 funds up to the COA as I can. Off-campus rentals are 12-month leases so there are ongoing costs beyond the actual enrollment periods as well.

Matt Lammer

Matt Lammer

671 XP

1 year ago

https://moneyguy.com/article/foo/ or older https://www.bogleheads.org/wiki/Prioriti... show just how low a priority funding a 529 is. Your funding of their Taxable brokerage would hurt their FAFSA more (if applicable) than if you held into that money in your name and disbursed it to them later, in a different way. You might have done it right for your own circumstances, but I'm in a few "paying for college" forums where new parents (or even new couples without kids) are chattering about 529s as a top priority, well ahead of properly funding their own retirement. Congrats to your student.

kindaFI

kindaFI

629 XP

1 year ago

In the highly tax- and FAFSA-optimized world of FI, I undoubtedly botched this whole process horribly. My point was only that people using 529s should give some real thought to that fraction of college expenses that are not qualified expenses (look up the COA estimates for colleges and compare that to your best-estimates of actual costs). If you're really trying to plan for it all, then put some funds aside to cover the things the 529 can't.

JC

JC

716 XP

1 year ago

Thanks for sharing this. I have much younger kids and am trying to figure out FI and college as well (as you know from a prior post about timing retirement with the FAFSA I believe). Maybe they'll go to grad school and it could be used for that?

Axnjxn303

Axnjxn303

36 XP

1 year ago

If the account has been open for 15+ years up to 35k (7k/year for 5 years) in any left over funds can also be rolled over into a Roth IRA for the named beneficiary. A good way to start funding a Roth right out of school.

kindaFI

kindaFI

629 XP

1 year ago

Yes, that is a definite possibility and would be a very good use for the remaining funds.

JC

JC

716 XP

1 year ago

The margin of error on 529s and college savings generally is huge - it's hard to know if I'm over or under investing and by how much. Could be off by six figures in either direction!

kindaFI

kindaFI

629 XP

1 year ago

Totally agree. In terms of absolute error, I was low and did not save enough had he not gotten his scholarship. We wanted to be a little low (to cleanly use all the funds), but the error was well more than intended. In retrospect, we are very lucky to have this minor second-order problem of "misplaced" funds. Luckily there are avenues to address this as needed.

I am presently allocating some money to a sinking fund to accompany my daughter's 529 funds when she enrolls (3 years away). I always keep funds meant for specific purposes off the net worth statement, which makes it painless to use the funds as intended and a great joy to roll them back if unused.

brub888

brub888

828 XP

1 year ago

According to collegesavings.com: "... you can withdraw up to the same dollar amount as the scholarship from the 529 plan. This will be a non-qualified withdrawal but only the earnings portion will be subject to federal and state income taxes. Normally, there would be an additional 10% federal tax penalty on the earnings; however, since this withdrawal is due to a scholarship, the tax penalty will not be imposed."

You should investigate whether there is a state tax penalty for early withdrawal and whether the Federal exemptions apply. My guess is that if you got a state tax benefit for making the 529 contribution, you would be required to pay that back.

kindaFI

kindaFI

629 XP

1 year ago

Thanks for mentioning this option. We don't have a state income tax, so this could be the best avenue to pull the excess if he doesn't end up in graduate school.

Roberto Sánchez

Roberto Sánchez

3,299 XP

1 year ago

You could also use the 529 funds for the unqualified expenses and pay the "penalty", and you would probably still come out ahead (when you calculate the tax advantages accrued over the years and the penalty you would pay on the 529 funds it is likely to still be net good). This is similar to what Mad Fientiest has recommended for people who have "oversaved" into a 401(k) or similar. Basically, take the early withdrawal, pay the penalty, and feel good about it because you are still way ahead.

LisaB

LisaB

276 XP

1 year ago

My college student received a few merit-based scholarships that we were told could be used for any college-related expenses (transportation, housing, even to buy a computer) - they were called 'unrestricted' funds. If your student's scholarships are unrestricted, you could use them for costs not covered by 529. Maybe something to check into when they are awarded the scholarship.

kindaFI

kindaFI

629 XP

1 year ago

I had totally forgotten about the scholarship clause in the 529 rules as mentioned by brub888 (I heard about it in a podcast eons ago). If we can avoid the 10% penalty, then I think we are definitely ahead in the game.

Nevertheless, I didn't put enough thought into the qualified/unqualified expense issue.

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