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Can I get to FIRE? Debt, mortgage, home selling process

Can I get to FIRE? Debt, mortgage, home selling process

MeloJ
MeloJ 248 XP · · 11 replies

Hello everyone. Please share your thoughts. I'm trying to be completely debt free, but I can't do so unless I sell my house. The mortgage is affordable, which is why I bought it, but I never had any intent on staying here. The value has increased. The problem is that I'm struggling with deciding on the selling process. I prefer to sell below value for a cash offer to avoid the full selling process (showing my home to a bunch of strangers who may or may not have a pre-approval or the paperwork to actually get a bank to give them a loan… all the fees etc. I hate it…). The cash offer route will allow me to at least break even, while giving up some value for a quicker process that is more comfortable for me. If I go the real estate agent route and have my home posted on MLS, then sure it may sell at or above market value, but I won't even receive the extra value money due to the fees and taxes, plus I'll have to deal with showing after showing.

Also, cash buyers seem to be willing to allow me to take a few days after closing to move my items versus having to be out before the closing date. I learned the hard way a few years ago that my house can be under contract while the buyer fails to get financing. It was a good reason that I used to terminate the contract, but it was time wasted in my eyes. So I feel more safe waiting until after closing to move.

Thoughts?

The cash buyer route will allow me to get to FIRE sooner.

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Ian Broadie

Ian Broadie

2 months ago

The amount of money being discussed here warrants some careful consideration and time to ensure you're making the right choice. I would at least interview a number of agents to get an idea for 'market price' and compare that to the off market price and make sure you're an informed seller. If you hop on the bigger pockets forums you'll see a lot of investors aiming for 20-30% discount off the market price, if a realtor is going to cost 5-6% then you're saving 14-24% of the value of your home by dealing with the hassle. The national average is over $400k these days so that's a $60-100k decision.

If you happen to have an owner occupant buyer lined up and you're just saving on realtor/marketing fees then absolutely worth considering, but an investor is looking for a very large discount, otherwise why would they do it. The 'cash offer' is usually backed by expensive hard money, often followed by a vacancy period and comes with risk. It's a lot cheaper for an owner occupant to buy your house so they are happier with a smaller discount.

MeloJ

MeloJ

100 XP

2 months ago

I'm interested in knowing more about the cash offer 'risks'. What risks?

Ian Broadie

Ian Broadie

2 months ago

I mean that the investor is taking on risk by buying your house and that needs to be factored into the discount they are willing to pay. There are a lot of them, from missing their ARV, cost over runs, project delays and shifts in the market during their holding period. An owner occupant doesn’t have to worry about that and as such can rationally pay more for the home

MeloJ

MeloJ

100 XP

2 months ago

Okay, but I'm trying to understand why I should care about risks they are willing to take if they are willing to pay a price that allows me to not only break even, but also make some profit. The money that I would be leaving on the table is basically money that would be going to a realtor if I were to sell at home value. So, I would never pocket the full profit in either scenario. I understand that I would be giving a cash investor a discount, but why does it matter if it is a win-win for both sides? I would change my position if I had to sell at a price so low that I don't even break even. If I'm missing something, please let me know.

Ian Broadie

Ian Broadie

2 months ago

Hmm okay well good luck!

Ian Broadie

Ian Broadie

2 months ago

Hard money generally costs 1% per month, and 2-3% upfront. On a 6 month flip that’s 8% but it gets expensive quickly if it takes longer (plus extension fees) and they also have to plan for time on market after the rehab. Then they have selling costs when they sell (call it 8%). Then they need to factor in their profit margin (often 10+%). We are already at 25+% and they haven’t even factored in any improvement costs or risk factored. Most assume they are going to drive up the value with the rehabs but over optimism is a constant plague for the industry. More sophisticated flippers have reduced costs on the margin but they also have marketing costs to find you and probably want a bigger profit if it’s their primary job or have employees. I’m just saying, it’s very expensive for them to buy your home so they need to be highly motivated

newfi25

newfi25

357 XP

4 months ago

You should put the "lengthy hassle" in perspective. Are you giving up potentially a $20,000 difference just because you might have to spend a couple hours each week getting the house ready for showing and doing a little paper work?

If you had to work months at your current job to make that amount of money, would that be less of a hassle?

MeloJ

MeloJ

100 XP

2 months ago

$20k means nothing if it is going to a realtor, taxes or fees… so I'm not basing my decision on money I won't be able to pocket in either scenario. It would be different if the $20k was actually going to my account. The $20k is just on paper.

dougmcqu

dougmcqu

30 XP

4 months ago

Makes sense. The companies and people who advertise and make it frictionless are also expecting a big discount. If the market is great in your area, consider a for sale by owner and “as is.” You can talk to a title company about what they can do to make the paperwork easy. Zillow has FSBO on their listings so that might be a good way to get visibility. Consider hosting an open house and decline any showings before that. That allows you to have one very busy day, plus clean up instead of multiple days of showing. This doesn’t eliminate the hassle factor because now you are the realtor, but it does maximize the return. Auction may be another option. Most in my area charge the buyer a premium but not the seller and the selling prices seem good/high. Good luck!

MeloJ

MeloJ

100 XP

4 months ago

Thank you so much for this information! 💖

dougmcqu

dougmcqu

30 XP

4 months ago

Hello, I recommend focusing on the long term goal of getting to FI rather than the short term goal of being debt free. My first question is, are you selling just to be debt free? Are there any other reasons? You will still need to live somewhere. Will your new living arrangement be cheaper per month? As you know, buying and selling a home cost money and hassle. You have already done the work to buy a home. Unless there are other reasons, I’d stay where you are, especially if you have a low rate.

Everyone has hassles or work that they will give up money to avoid. Yours is not a cheap one, so I’d try to limit it. Good luck!

MeloJ

MeloJ

100 XP

4 months ago

Thank you.

It will take longer for me to get to FI if I keep my home. I'd rather sell it then keep it. I have other residential arrangements lined up that make more sense to me. I'm more so looking for feedback on whether to sell at a lower value to get a quick cash offer or deal with the lengthy and hassle open market process to sell my home at a higher price (but my bottom line net take away will not see much of the increase)…

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