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How to calculate FI when Real Estate and Rentals are part of your portfolio

How to calculate FI when Real Estate and Rentals are part of your portfolio

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Good Morning.

I recently found the group and podcast and really enjoying it!! I am trying to figure out the basics on how to calculate rentals into the equation. I typically pull 80% of my equity out every 5 years to reinvest, while maintaiing a small profit on my rentals, and keeping a small basement apt for myself. I have equity in these rentals, and other land, but don't quite know how to calculate these into a simple 4% FI equation. If there is an episode that I could listen to, or any simple approach, that would be wonderful!!

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Anonymous

Anonymous

10 months ago

Thank you for all the toughts on this thread!! I will expand on my initial question, but the answer about an advanced calculator I think is where I need to move. I do everything in Excel now, with a yearly cash inflow and cash outflow factoring in a 6% return.

For my real estate, I always max out my mortgage every 5 years when I renew, since the rates have been so low in Canada. I just did it again for two of my 3 rental properties, with the last refiance coming up in one year, Jan 2026. I made a decision to build a lakehouse (My dreamhouse spend) and used the excess cash from my refinance to build it. This has caused me to loose money on my rentals for the next 3 years, but I am still working, so my income makes up for that. I hope to retire at 50, in the spring of 2027, and I will still loose money for about two years, but my rentals will start to generate cash flow for me again in 2029, so I am trying to see how bad it is for me to take a short term draw from my inviestments for two years, large than my FI 4% number, then evening it out after that. If I keep my rents up with inflation, I should be generating enough income to cover my expenses in another few years. I currently have $720K in a combination of RRSPs, TFSA, and open account, and my real estate equity not counting my primary residence is at $1.7 Million.

I feel that my situation is likely like many who have real estate and trying to grow something as an entrepreneur. I maybe taking a more risky approach by leveraging all the available equity in my rentals, but its this approach that has brought me so close to FI (Or maybe at FI?) in recent years. This may be a case study opportunity that could benefit other Canadian Listeners. For additional context, I live in Rural Nova Scotia, on the east side of Canada!

Scott Sklener

Scott Sklener

84 XP

1 year ago

Just take the portion of net operating income of all your properties and subtract that amount from your yearly living projected cost. Then take the remaining projected living cost multiply that times 25 and that will give you your FI number.

Here is an example:

You project you need $60,000 a year living expenses. Your rentals generate $20,000 a year in net operating income. (Profit after taxes, insurance, maintenance, repairs, & expenses)

This means you will need an additional $40,000 per year to support your living expenses.

$40,000 times 25 equals $1 million. This is what you need to have invested if you are trying to use the 4% rule.

adamk

adamk

172 XP

1 year ago

Sklener: Your method seems to consider only capital investments in your calculations towards FI. Meanwhile, in many places (including ChooseFI podcast, if I recall correctly) it was said that the value of rental properties is also part of the invested capital (just the property where you live is not).

In my calculations, I estimate the value of my rental property once a year, and I count this together with the value of my index funds and bonds. Similarly, the rent I receive is a cash flow of my passive income just like dividends and interests.

Is there anything wrong with my approach? Any feedback is welcome.

SoonerFI

SoonerFI

420 XP

1 year ago

Wow so simple and obvious in retrospect. I’ve always thought my situation was special and complicated so the 4% rule didn’t apply to me. Now it does!

Thank you!

NCTHIKER

NCTHIKER

227 XP

1 year ago

Continuing on with that, if your target is 1MM to generate the income needed to be FI, with therentals, then withoutrental income your # is 1.5MM. IF selling rentals infuses the remainder needed in your investment account to generate the $60k needed to live then sell. So you'd need to determine if your net after capital gains tax, depreciation recapture, income tax, closing costs etc. is going to equal or exceed the 500k.

Anonymous

Anonymous

1 year ago

Ok, thanks!! This makes sense, so don't include in my portfolio, only as my operating income. Is there a way to factor in that I will sell these at some point in time?

Roberto Sánchez

Roberto Sánchez

3,299 XP

1 year ago

You can project something like that with CFireSim (or another suitably advanced calculator). Basically, you are looking for the ability to model a future "contribution" to your investment portfolio. Like, suppose in 10 years you expect to sell a property and clear $500k after everything. The calculator should let you input your various income, expense, and starting portfolio amounts for today, plus also schedule the additional $500k for t+10 years.

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