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Incorporating 457b withdrawals during Roth Conversion Ladder

Incorporating 457b withdrawals during Roth Conversion Ladder

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caseylconnor · · 2 replies

How should my wife and I plan for 457 withdrawals during Roth conversion ladder? Specifically, we'll have the standard 5 years of spending in an after tax brokerage account. We were planning on doing Roth conversions from my (or her) traditional 401k to reduce our tax liability in the future (and RMDs). However, we're fortunate that my wife has a 457b account as well which allows us to tap into that upon separation from service. I can't seem to figure out the best (minimal tax liability) way to incorporate withdraws from this 457 account without pushing us into higher taxes, but perhaps this is a "nice problem to have".

Right now, the best ideas that I can think of are to 1) draw from the 457 account first while doing the Roth conversion ladder, but I think both of these are considered taxable income (not capital gains). In this case, the 457 account will probably fund 1.5 to 2 years of fully funded lifestyle. After the 457 is exhausted, we could switch over to withdrawing from our taxable brokerage account. Similarly, we could 2) draw from the 457 account first but not do Roth conversions until we're living off of our taxable brokerage account.

Any thoughts? Any ideas we aren't thinking of?

Thanks!

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Jill Nordmann

Jill Nordmann

9 months ago

You didn't mention your ages. How will you be paying for health insurance?

lisa

lisa

9 months ago

We're in a similar situation. Here's our current plan:

Instead of drawing down from the 457B first (which will be taxed as ordinary income), we plan to live off of the taxable brokerage account for the first few years of early retirement to minimize sequence of returns risk. While we are doing this, we'll also begin Roth conversions (up to the standard deduction) from one of our traditional 401Ks.

During those first few years, we plan to only withdraw small amounts from the 457B if needed as a supplement to our taxable brokerage accounts for expenses.

Also interested to learn if there are better ways to approach this while limiting tax liability?

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