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Opening a Traditional IRA?

Opening a Traditional IRA?

Victor Zarour
Victor Zarour 159 XP · · 13 replies

Hi FI friends,

I am new to the community I have been tuning in for about a month or so now. I was considering opening a Traditional IRA to reap the tax deduction benefits. My employer doesn't offer a 401k, we only have profit sharing which I cannot contribute to. I currently have a Roth IRA and have been saving money for a few years now, I have about 15k saved in there. If I were to open a Traditional IRA, should I just contribute to that instead of my Roth from now on and convert later down the line? Do I just leave the 15k already in my Roth and not touch it, while beginning to build my Traditional IRA? Is there anything I should know before opening my Traditional IRA? Any feedback about my situation would be greatly appreciated!

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JayRam

JayRam

226 XP

2 months ago

I skimmed through the posts and didn't see much mention of whether you'll be able to deduct your IRA contributions. That's the first thing you need to find out. You'll reference the section "2026 IRA deduction limits — You're covered by a retirement plan at work" on this page:

And for reference, this is how IRS defines being covered by an employer plan:

Are you covered by an employers retirement plan? | Internal Revenue Service

Now I generally prefer Roth IRA contributions even if you qualify for tax-deductible IRA contributions, but most rules have exceptions. Roth IRA contributions help balance the pre-tax assets you're accumulating in your employer-sponsored plan. But the tax deduction is nice if you qualify for it, especially if it helps you avoid an unexpected tax bill - though with good planning those shouldn't happen often.

themadcentrist

themadcentrist

59 XP

3 months ago

A few observations I have not seen mentioned - after I give Kudos to BostonFI@BostonFI for an excellent answer on the income/tax basis for when to choose which IRA.

1st: regardless of Roth or Traditional, unless something changed I do not know about, the contribution limit is a total limit. Since it changes year-to-year I won't both with the real number, but if it was $1000 and you put $500 in a Roth, you can only contribute another $500 no matter where you put it. It is not $1000 per IRA!

2nd: For my own planning, and I have yet to hear anyone else describe it this way, in retirement I plan to use my Roth $$$ as an emergency fund. Since withdraws have no tax implications, it is a means to "boost" your spending in an unplanned way. Say I plan to stay below $XYZ in 2026, so I withdraw $XYZ(+taxes) from my Traditional IRA. Then, mid-year, I have significant roof damage that was not planned. Take that repair out of the Roth and no more tax planning is needed.

But as BostonFI said: Low income = Roth, High income = traditional. It does also depend on your planned "income" in retirement, but by the time it becomes a HUGE issue, you are likely Fat F.I.R.E.

For myself, I think about it differently than most people. So, I thought I would give that perspective.

bciocco

bciocco

304 XP

3 months ago

I think you can use both retirement vehicles. The standard deduction for individuals is >$15k and for married it is >$30K. One can take at least that amount from a Traditional IRA/401K/403b tax free. Using a 5% withdrawal rate, it wouldn't hurt to have $300K for single or $600K married in Traditional. It could be a little less if you use an annuity rate of 6% or more if you use 4%. You might use an annuity rate for planning if you want to use the money up before you pass rather than leave it as an inheritance. The rest you can put in a Roth.

Keep in mind, the amount you put in the Roth is already taxed. That means it has cost you the taxes already. At a 15% real tax rate, the $85 you put in a Roth is $100 you could have put in a Traditional. The higher the tax rate the worse it is. Some might say that it is worse than that - that the money you are putting in the Roth is the money that is taxed at your highest rate because putting it in the Traditional would have lowered the income in your highest bracket.

Some folks worry about RMDs. Personally, I don't think it is something to worry much about unless you are significantly overfunded. Currently, the RMD rate starts at a little less than 4% and works up to more than 8.2% after age 90. It gets up to 50% at age 120.

I think Roth is a good tool for some folks - especially younger folks with low incomes. It wasn't available when I started working - 401Ks in general were not really available at all until 1981. They became widely available in 1983. When they did become available, most employees I knew didn't trust their employers or the government with their retirement money. Roth was invented in 1998 for IRAs and employers could use them for Roth 401Ks in 2006 - by that time, I wasn't among the younger workers anymore. Also, many of us had been convinced of the immediate tax benefits of the Traditional 401k and didn't participate in the Roth. The way some employers "sold" us on contributing to the 401k is that if we put 3 or 5% in, the lower taxes would make it so we didn't really see much of a reduction in our pay.

genenemechek

genenemechek

3 months ago

not putting as much into a Roth IRA was my biggest mistake in my savings. I listened to my tax advisor who always told his clients to not pay taxes today and pay the taxes later when you retire and your income will be less. Well, we saved a lot and thought we did the right thing with a traditional IRA but our income in retirement was NOT less If you really think that taxes will go down in the future then use traditional IRA. Wish I had paid my taxes years ago and would have saved $1M in taxes I will owe now on what I saved for retirement

tinatina

tinatina

100 XP

3 months ago

One advantage of the Roth is being able to invest the value of the tax. However, you can add the value at a later date when converting from a traditional IRA. A consideration would be what the tax savings would be spent on instead. If saving for a house, it may be better to go traditional, although you can take up to 10k out for a house penalty free (pay attention to 5 year rule). Another consideration is that you can pull PRINCIPAL out of a Roth IRA tax and penalty free after one year (penalty is on income, 401ks have different rules). While I would discourage withdrawals, this could be an emergency fund if you want to max out contributions and are tight on cash. The rules can be tricky. When reading IRS regs, qualified plan means you got a tax deduction (traditional 401k/403b) non qualified plan means Roth or excess IRAcontribution, and IRA= IRA. You can also split contributions and do some of both. Another consideration for those who give to charity, RMD distributions (age 75+ if you are younger) could be used to pay the charity directly. You don't recognize the income on you taxes (up to 108k currently) but contribution counts toward RMD. So I think tithe payers should keep at least 10% in a traditional plan vs Roth.

BostonFI

BostonFI

5,244 XP

3 months ago

The decision between Roth IRA and traditional IRA comes down to tax arbitrage—do you expect your income in the future when you'd be taking traditional IRA distributions to be higher or lower than your income now? If income is lower now > Roth IRA. If income is higher now > traditional IRA. The strategy is to pay the tax when you're paying less tax.

Another consideration is whether you expect your income to increase over your working years. If you're young and have your whole working life ahead of you, you are very likely to be currently earning the lowest income you'll ever earn. That points to using Roth IRA now to build up that account during your lower earning years. The Roth IRA is a very valuable account, both for you and for heirs. My feeling is if you're eligible to contribute, do so.

As Westie points out, if you plan to eventually use the backdoor Roth IRA conversion maneuver once your income exceeds eligibility to contribute to a Roth IRA, having zero traditional IRA balances greatly simplifies those conversions.

Lastly, yes, leave the Roth IRA balance alone even if you decide to use a traditional IRA going forward. You're allowed to distribute your contributions without tax consequences (not the earnings), but those dollars are more valuable to you staying invested inside that tax shelter.

Victor Zarour

Victor Zarour

116 XP

3 months ago

I appreciate your advice! I do believe my income will rise through my career I am still young and new to the field. Do you think then it would be best to just remain contributing to my Roth IRA? If so is there any other ways I would be able to take advantage of deductions with my current situation?

BostonFI

BostonFI

5,244 XP

3 months ago

For a single filer in 2026, you can make the full contribution to a Roth IRA up to a modified adjusted gross income (MAGI) of $153K. It phases out after that until a MAGI of $168K when you can no longer contribute at all to Roth IRA. These limits are adjusted each year for inflation.

Your income now puts your top tax bracket at 22% and you expect your income to increase during your career. You might consider sticking with Roth IRA until you cross into the 24% bracket and reassess at that time. That journey should take a few years probably so use that time to read up on Roth IRA versus traditional IRA or listen to podcast episodes on it to grow your knowledge so you can make an informed choice between the two. I highly recommend picking up a copy of the very excellent tax planning book by Cody Garrett, CFP®@Cody Garrett, CFP® and "FI Tax Guy" Sean Mullaney.

This is a nice tool that visually shows you how much federal tax you're paying on different types of income. Remember that the US has a progressive tax system so your effective tax rate may be lower than you realize. If you have $91K of ordinary income for 2026 and no other income, only $19.1K of that is being taxed at 22%. Your effective tax rate on the $91K is actually only 12%.

As for other ways to reduce taxes now, does your employer offer a high deductible healthcare plan that would make you eligible to contribute to an HSA? That would get you a small tax deduction. Another option is to change employers and choose an employer who offers a 401k/403b/457b so you could defer more income to lower taxes.

Victor Zarour

Victor Zarour

116 XP

3 months ago

This is very helpful!! I will be sure to do more research before doing anything else thank you. I’ll definitely check those out! Yes they offer an HSA I didn’t contribute during open enrollment cause I honestly don’t understand the concept very well but I think that might be my best bet besides switching employers.

Westie

Westie

1,462 XP

3 months ago

In my opinion, unless you are making VERY little money, a Traditional account is more beneficial than a Roth. So I generally think it's a great idea.

The only thing I would caution you about is, if you anticipate your income rising to over $150,000/yr with your current employer, I would not contribute to a traditional IRA. The reason is that you will at that income be unable to take a tax deduction for a traditional IRA, you will be unable to contribute to a Roth IRA, and it would be very expensive to do a "backdoor" Roth IRA due to the pro rata rule.

I would read up on backdoor Roth IRAs and the pro rata rule generally because even though they're not a factor for you at your current income, if you do traditional IRA contributions now it will affect you later when your income does require backdoor Roth IRA contributions.

There are a few ways to mitigate the issue, but if you're not prepared it could cause you a large tax bill.

Victor Zarour

Victor Zarour

116 XP

3 months ago

Thank you for the advice I will be sure to read up on those today. I read up online that single filers making over 91k cannot deduct traditional IRA contributions. Last year that is how much I made, so would it still be worth it for me to open a Traditional IRA?

BostonFI

BostonFI

5,244 XP

3 months ago

The MAGI limit to deduct a traditional IRA contribution applies only to workers (1) whose employer offers a workplace retirement savings plan AND (2) they contribute to it. Since your employer doesn't offer a plan and you don't appear to have a spouse whose employer offers a plan, you can deduct traditional IRA contributions regardless of income.

JayRam

JayRam

226 XP

2 months ago

Unfortunately #2 isn't correct. It doesn't matter if you contribute. Being covered by an employer plan (profit sharing plans count) simply means you're eligible for plan benefits.

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