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"Must Spend" v. "Like to Spend" budgets...

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907Hodgeman · · 4 replies

After listening to a recent podcast episode, Cody mentioned just how powerful reducing expenses can be when pursuing FI. I'm also using Boldin (aka New Retirement) and they allow a budgeting technique of "Must Spend" and "Like to Spend" and you can calculate the delta in your Monte Carlo Analysis.

We went through our budget this morning based on our actual spend and figured we can reduce our annual spending by about $15,000 per year in retirement- all without really sacrificing much at all in the way of lifestyle. We figure that while we're working, we simply spend more than we would otherwise based on income alone. For example, sometimes we go out to eat because we're tired, not because we really get much enjoyment from dining out. That's a choice we likely won't make when we're skipping the 60 hour work weeks.

These decisions aren't frugality per se, just realigning our spending with our goals and the reality of stepping away from the work force. We tend to think our spending will remain flat or even increase in retirement, but I don't think that's actually true across the board. Planning for that will keep you working years longer than you likely need to.

That projected reduction in spending took our success rate from 91% to 98% and moved our probable retirement date considerably closer. While none of the spending projections were million dollar decisions, the effect was profound.

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Matt Lammer

Matt Lammer

6 months ago

If you're not <7 years prior to retirement, please don't waste money on subscriptions like Boldin. Accumulation phase is so much easier just having good systems in place and then rolling with it. I hit FI and early retired with 2 college-bound now-teens never tracking Income, Expenses, or Budgeting, but rather "anti-budgeting". Just carve out your Savings/Investing Rate into a separate account (easily done with your employer, but can also be done via rules within most Savings accounts) 1st, before you ever see it, have another account automatically get all of your "bills" money (plus wiggle room) and have another account be your Spending Account... when that money's gone, it's gone and no more. The Savings funds immediately get invested (what hasn't been already pre-distribution been invested in 401k, etc.), as does the residual monies from the other accounts. A simple spreadsheet calculated how much "cash" needed to be on-hand for 3- or 6-month emergency fund plus Sinking Fund for known upcoming expenses and compared vs balance in the Savings account. I personally found it very simple to look at every purchase, knowing my hourly rate, and ask "is this thing worth me working ## more hours?" and the typical answer is "no". But there were plenty of great purchases that were completely worth it. Know that money has a multiplier effect. If you're a teen, $1 invested vs spent today is worth about $15 to their 65-year-old self. As a mid-40's, that $1 invested is worth about $5 to 65-year old self. So it's not just your hourly rate as the current cost, but the Opportunity Cost of that amount. FI/FIRE rapidly follows that realization.

SeattleToMexico

SeattleToMexico

6 months ago

We have been using monarch money to track must have spending versus nice to halves - they have a budgeting configuration that captures this mostly via fixed cost category and flexible spending category. It’s taken us many months to start to see the patterns, but we have some confidence on what’s fixed versus flexible at this point. Highly recommend.

Projection lab is another awesome tool as you can create two categories of spending one that’s fixed and the other that’s flexible. It has a lot of scenario where you can adjust the flexible category and see how it impacts your retirement planning.

JoeQ17

JoeQ17

6 months ago

That's a nice feature and great that you're tieing your spend to what you value. Ultimately if you can keep your must spend to around 50-75% of your planned retirement spend that provides flexibility which is the key. Call it guardrails, buckets, or whatever, as long as there is flexibility in downturns (as well as increases in bull markets) you can add 1/2% or 5-15% monte carlo success.

Success rate, just like most other numbers, can lie quite easily if you don't fully grasp the details behind it. So many of these calculators have unique underlying assumptions which can drastically distort the numbers and give false impressions. Running through several calculators with similar assumptions is a great litmus test. I've found portfolio visualizer financial goals to be solid but also run through Boldin, ProjectionLab, and backtest via testfolio to feel more confident. But ultimately comes back to leaving flexibility in the plan.

cubicle4

cubicle4

7 months ago

How did you discover this feature? Just started using Boldin this weekend to see if the tool fidelity provides is at least in the same ballpark. Anyhow, have a lot to discover. Thanks

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