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Understanding the Power of the Expense Audit

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Ep. 586 Understanding the Power of the Expense Audit

Four-step expense audit reveals money leaks in even the most intentional budgets — and prevents lifestyle creep

Brad Barrett, Jonathan Mendonsa · · 45,828 plays
1h 10m 34s
  1. Introduction to Expense Audit
  2. Importance of Regular Expense Audits
  3. Identifying Money Leaks
  4. Key Strategies for Expense Auditing
  5. Value Matrix for Expenses
  6. Closing Thoughts and Action Steps

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Most people chase financial independence through side hustles and raises. Brad and Jonathan flip that equation: audit your expenses first, then watch your FI date accelerate without earning another dollar.

They walk through a structured four-step framework for conducting annual expense audits that help you identify money leaks and understand your true living costs. The discussion covers practical strategies for tracking subscriptions, variable expenses, and distinguishing between required and discretionary spending. By adopting a calculated approach to expenses, you can effectively mitigate lifestyle creep while ensuring every dollar serves a purpose in your budget. The overarching message encourages focusing on building a life of value, emphasizing joy and fulfillment in financial management, rather than mere restriction.

Key Tactical Takeaways

  • Conduct an Annual Expense Audit: Establish a routine to review expenses at least once a year to stay on top of spending habits and identify areas for improvement.
  • Categorize Every Expense: Break down expenditures into necessary (fixed costs) and discretionary (variable costs) categories for clearer insights.
  • Use a Value Matrix: Assess expenses based on their joy and necessity to inform which should be retained, reduced, or eliminated.
  • Track Subscriptions and Variable Costs: Pay attention to recurring payments, particularly those related to entertainment and services like streaming or software.
  • Calculate the Long-Term Impact of Small Savings: Cutting small monthly expenses can significantly affect your financial independence number over time.

Core Rules & Formulas

Rule Explanation
Annual Expense Audit Review all expenses once a year to prevent overspending and identify leaks.
Categorization of Expenses Differentiate between Required (fixed) and Discretionary (variable) expenses.
Value Matrix Implementation Organize spending into High Joy/ Low Joy and Essential/ Eliminate quadrants.
Prioritize Necessary Expenses Always account for essential bills, including utilities, groceries, and housing costs.
Evaluate Impact of Expenses Each $100 cut from monthly expenses reduces your FI number by $30,000 over time (20-year horizon).

Tools, Accounts, or Strategies Mentioned

Tool/Strategy Link/Description
Expense Audit Spreadsheet Download here
Chase Ultimate Rewards Utilize for travel rewards and points transfer to hotel partners.
Value Matrix Framework Framework for analyzing the necessity and joy of expenses.

Key Quotes

"Every dollar must earn its place in your budget." (00:05:23)

"Even the most intentional spenders can lose track of their expenses." (00:06:19)

"Small expenses can add up to significant savings." (00:13:08)

"Have you assessed the true cost of your life?" (00:13:17)

Chapters

  • Introduction to Expense Audit (00:00:00)
  • Importance of Regular Expense Audits (00:05:23)
  • Identifying Money Leaks (00:13:04)
  • Key Strategies for Expense Auditing (00:22:34)
  • Value Matrix for Expenses (01:03:05)
  • Closing Thoughts and Action Steps (01:09:13)

Terminology

Expense Audit: A detailed review of all expenditures to identify unnecessary spending and money leaks. (00:05:23)

Lifestyle Creep: The tendency for expenses to increase as income rises, often leading to a strain on finances. (00:08:11)

Value Matrix: A categorization tool to assess the joy and necessity of expenses, helping prioritize what's essential in your budget. (01:03:05)

Resources & References

Action Items

  1. Download your bank and credit card statements for the last few months to start your audit. (00:55:06)
  2. Categorize your expenses into necessary and discretionary for better insights. (01:03:05)
  3. Join the community challenge to share findings and get support during your expense audit process. (01:09:13)

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Daniel Karr 1 month ago

Taxes is a really tough one. Because I calculate a net savings rate, so I divide net expenses by net income.

Plus taxes will reduce greatly in early retirement, but they will still need to be a separate line item I account for for paying the taxes on Roth conversions or 72t

Lindsey613 2 months ago

I'm excited about the possibility of using this forum and the expense audit to compare my expenses to others. I feel like we don't spend as much as our peers around us, but our expenses are SO HIGH!! But of course I don't talk about money with people in real life, so I don't really know how we compare. I'd love to nerd out with some comparisons!

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bether 2 months ago

My favorite part of the episode was the final discussion on the cost/value matrix, I hadn't really had that idea directly related back to my expense audit before.

I did have a suggested addition to it though. Rather than just "high" to "no" joy, the cost per joy is what really gets at that value. So the matrix could incorporate this by having two axes - 1 for joy, 1 for cost. Budget items above the 1:1 line are keepers, on the line are "yellow flags" to keep an eye on, and below the line are opportunities for better aligning spending with joy. For example, I'm not liking how much I'm spending on groceries this year and last (shocking), so I'm working to improve my gardening this season in hopes of decreasing our spending on high-quality produce (a high-value joy for us!).

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AshleyL 2 months ago

I really liked the episode! I think it was so funny how you guys kept calling it "fun” to do an audit. Need alert!

I'm not being paid to advertise, but I love YNAB. I have been using it since 2018, and I was actually able to pull up data from 2018 with my phone.

My oldest was 13, so we had no young drivers, and our car insurance has quintupled with five drivers, three being under the age of 20. We were also able to get away with 600 for groceries, and now it's at least double that. The only people that had cell phones were two adults, so the cell phone bill was about half of what it is now.

On the other hand, my kids all drive themselves and are expected to hold part time jobs and are expected to pay their own gas, so in some ways it is easier.

Also, they choose to use their income to eat fast food all the time, and my husband and I both eat very healthy, so they know healthy food is at home, but we don't feel the need to eat as much fast food.

Our lifestyle has definitely creeped, and we have seen it more than anything in the taxes that we pay each year. In fact, I was planning on doing an audit anyway to try to figure out how much more we could defer so we didn't have to give so much to Uncle Sam this time of year. Anyway, just wanted to say hi! I hope I was able to help someone with my information.

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Waneta Viray 2 months ago

Really loved this episode and the call to action. It felt very tactical like in the first couple years of ChooseFI. The concept of having an apples to apples comparison of what other FI community members are spending is exciting!

I just filled in the expense audit on this platform. I had been so excited to do it because I know all my expenses well as a YNAB user. BUT it was SO HARD! Categories are not universal at all. Like what was said on the podcast nuances like including household supplies under groceries (or not). And I don't track some expenses in the granularity that was spelled out on this audit - especially travel. I track total cost of each trip, but don't break them down by airfare, lodging, etc.

Plus, life is lumpy (as originally quoted on the podcast by Jesse Mecham, YNAB founder). No two months are the same. I took last year's annual expenses and divided by 12. This method makes much more sense to me than looking at one actual month of spending where I may have one annual fee, pay some partial amount for a future trip, spend more on groceries to stock up from a good sale, etc.

YNAB helps us be intentional with our spending all year long, but we also do an annual review of our spending to decide if we want to reduce, or possibly increase, spending in an area.

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NDLifeAdventures 2 months ago

I did the same thing. I took last years expense and divided by 12 to populate the expense audit.

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NDLifeAdventures 2 months ago

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Waneta Viray 2 months ago

I agree that there's so many great apps! I'm a YNAB super fan, but hope some folks get value from your referral link. Thanks for sharing!

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AnotherControlsEngineer 2 months ago (edited)

Wanted to throw the categories that we came up with a few years ago that have worked for us to categorize 95% of our expenses (no kids). For the expenses that don't fit we can usually stick it in a category that is close enough. Also, we have been using Copilot Money (not the microsoft ai) which is a $95/yr fee but has worked really well for us.

  • Home
  • Pets
  • Travel and Vacation
  • Shops (Amazon purchases go here unless I feel like manually splitting them)
  • Restaurants (Any eating out or drinking except when traveling)
  • Groceries
  • Car (Gas, maintenance, not insurance)
  • Clothing
  • Utilities (Phone, internet, home utilities)
  • Entertainment
  • Gifts
  • Healthcare
  • Fees
  • Education
  • Fun Money (One of the catch all buckets, hobbies, etc)
  • Insurance
  • Other
  • Personal Care
  • Reimbursed (excluded from normal expenses)
  • Work Expenses (excluded category since also reimbursed)
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wforbes 2 months ago

Thanks, that's a good list. My two cents, the way I think about how to categorize a budget (or any type of data) is to think about what you want to do with the data after collecting it. For example, I may want to see how my electricity bill varies per month or year so I'll break up the utilities (water, electric, natural gas, etc) to capture that. Going the other way to simplify expenses, say you prefer a total housing cost with everything bundled. To accomplish that you sum rent/mortgage, HOA fees, landscaping, etc.

The other thought is sort everything into the smallest category that will give you maximum analytical possibilities, but may also lead to the most work.

-Wes

JoeQ17 2 months ago

I posted this last month but fits perfect for this episode. My wife has led tracking our expenses for the past 15 years, link below for shared template. Yes it takes maybe 15min a week, but with two huge benefits. By writing down our expenses each week, it has kept us grounded and aware of what we spend. This has ensured expenses like services don't get out of hand as well as provides positive reminders of spending on things we value. Now as we transition to retirement at 45, we have so much confidence in what our life costs as well as our personnel inflation rate in different categories. While apps and automation are great, sometimes simple brings so much value. Highly recommend monthly tracking and with it quarterly or yearly audits.

Budget Example.xlsx

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8thWonder 2 months ago

I love the nuance that different people bring to these expense tracking exercises. So I really enjoy the idea that the podcast would collect data and have an average spend for certain categories.

I am similar to Brad and how he runs housing, every recurring bill related to living in a home (electric, water, waste, internet) gets counted as housing for me - I love having that Birds Eye view of what it costs monthly!

Then I keep a separate expense just called “home” that’s for home upgrades, furniture, and bigger expenses not truly related to the housing itself.

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Fierymillennials 2 months ago

That is an interesting way to look at housing expenses and to be able to compare different situations on an equitable plane. Rent might seem high, but homeownership has a ton of hidden expenses that aren't always readily apparent. For us, that would mean gathering our mortgage payment, utilities, renovations, yard work and property taxes all under one umbrella. Hmm

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Kayleigh Coughlin-Jacobs 2 months ago

I don’t think Jonathan is right when he says YNAB double counts credit cards. YNAB treats credit cards exactly as Brad describes here. The expense happens the moment the charge hits the card, not when the card is paid off later. Paying off the card is essentially the same impact as moving money between accounts when you’re paying them on time and in full, which is the way YNAB pushes you to handle them.

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Jonathan Mendonsa 2 months ago

98% of the time they get it right - but I've seen it get confused , which is why they often will let you true up or make adjustments... they have really good logic in place. but ynab and all of those require significant attention to detail.. if you are trying to go back and clean things up months later - good luck - which is why they have the option to fresh slate or start a new budget

and editor note - not a criticism of YNAB - I really Like that software... just an observation about the trickiness of navigating debt vs expenses via credit card

Jonathan Mendonsa 2 months ago

and i'm not the only one to experience that (courtesy of google) 6995fdff-a381-45a5-b052-f159f673e51a.png

and they have ways to reconcile and move on , but you have to pay attention to it

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Nate Meharg 2 months ago

You are correct. There is a setting where it just treats like another money account that you pay off at the end of month. When I look at my spending breakdown it doesn't include my credit card payments. Just the expenses I charged on my credit card.

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Waneta Viray 2 months ago

I got so stuck on this comment too! Thanks for the YNAB defense from a fellow fan.

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Josh_Schmitt 2 months ago

With generative AI's ability to write code and create a website quickly, you could reasonably create a full finance-tracking online utility yourselves. Believe it!

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