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The Detour is the Journey | 583
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Ep. 583 The Detour is the Journey | 583

Brad and Jonathan continue unpacking *incremental gains* — the small, tactical decisions that compound into financial independence. This conversation moves quickly through **core FI math, expense opti...

Brad Barrett, Jonathan Mendonsa ·
  1. Introduction
  2. Detours in Life
  3. Discussion on Incremental Gains
  4. The Importance of Growth Mindset
  5. Crowdsourcing Personal Finance
  6. Wrap Up and Action Items

🔢 The Core FI Numbers You Must Know

Concept What to Remember
FI Number Annual expenses × 25
Example $60,000/year → $1.5M
Net Worth Assets − liabilities
Wealth Determined by net worth + savings rate, not income

📌 Income alone does not equal wealth. Spending control does.


The FI Equation (Where Leverage Actually Exists)

Variable Why It Matters
Income Raises, job changes, skill stacking matter
Expenses Lower expenses = lower FI number
Savings Rate Accelerates timeline dramatically
Runway 2 years of expenses saved = life reset optionality

Many listeners report using one tactic from the show to earn $10k–$25k raises.


Expense Optimization (High-ROI Actions)

Annual Expense Audit (Non-Negotiable)

  • Review every line item at least once per year

  • Look for:

    • Unused subscriptions
    • Seasonal expenses that no longer apply
    • Spending that doesn’t match your values

Spend on What You Value — Cut the Rest

  • No deprivation mandates
  • Ruthlessly eliminate low-value spending

The Library Is a Financial Superpower

  • Free books, audiobooks, movies

  • Often includes:

    • State park passes
    • Museum passes
    • Digital resources

The 72-Hour Rule

Step Action
1 Add item to cart
2 Wait 72 hours
3 Re-evaluate
4 Buy guilt-free if you still want it
  • Episode 12: "Frugality and Financial Independence"

🏦 Retirement Accounts: The Rules That Matter

401(k): Always Take the Match

  • Employer match = free money
  • Declining it = turning down part of your salary

Pre-Tax Accounts Are Often Better for FI

Account Benefit
Traditional 401(k) Lowers taxable income today
Traditional IRA Tax deduction now
457(b) Penalty-free access after separation

📌 Roth accounts are not automatically better for FI seekers.


Tax Strategy (This Is Where FI Wins)

Marginal vs Effective Tax Rates

Term Meaning
Marginal Rate on your last dollar
Effective Total tax ÷ total income
  • Episode 13: "Free Money & and the Unfair Advantage of Teachers"

Optimize for effective tax rate — not marginal.

The Real Goal: Lifetime Tax Optimization

  • Not just this year’s tax bill
  • Think across decades
  • Flexibility > certainty

0% Federal Capital Gains (Huge)

  • Long-term capital gains can be taxed at 0%

  • Especially powerful in early retirement

  • Example (married filing jointly):

    • ~$130,000 in long-term gains taxed at $0

Tax-Gain Harvesting

  • Sell appreciated assets in low-income years
  • Reset cost basis without paying federal tax
  • Episode 517: "Understanding Capital Gains Tax Strategies"

Optionality Is the Real Asset

Lower fixed expenses create:

  • Tax flexibility
  • Career flexibility
  • Location flexibility
  • Lifestyle flexibility

Paid-off house + paid-off cars + low baseline spending = stealth wealth


📚 Essential Listening & Resources

Topic Resource
Frugality fundamentals Episode 12
Free money & 457(b) Episode 13
Capital gains strategy Episode 517
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🎯 Take One Action This Week

  • Calculate your FI number
  • Do a mini expense audit
  • Check if you’re getting your full 401(k) match
  • Visit your local library

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  • Share:

    • Your “aha” moment
    • A tactic you’re trying
    • A question you want explored

🧭 Final Takeaway

Financial independence isn’t about one perfect move — it’s about stacking small, intelligent decisions over time.

The rules exist. The advantages are real. And the detours are where the wins compound.

Discussion Questions:

  • How can detours lead to new opportunities in your life?
  • What incremental gains have you experienced personally?

What Should I Do Next:

  • Log into ChooseFI and join the community to share your feedback, insights, and interact with other listeners!
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Comments (8)

kirstee_baxt 1 month ago
Loving the incremental gains series! I've been in FI-land for 5+ years now so, most aren't new concepts but it's nice to hear the commentary about each and note any optimizations I can be making. The quick mentions about tax optimizing in retirement is an area I'm less knowledgable about and I look forward to future case studies!
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tdri12 2 months ago
I think there are a couple of admitedly minor points in the Roth discussion that haven't been mentioned yet. First is the flexibility you gain by having some money in a Roth account. It can serve as a "large expense" safety net during retirement. If you run into a large expense, say a significant house repair, family member has major medical bills or other financial difficulty you want to help with, you decide to buy a car and want to pay cash, etc., then you might want to withdraw a larger amount than needed for your annual expenses. If you only have traditional accounts, this would increase your income and all be taxed. If you have some money in a Roth account, you can withdraw to cover the unexpected expense with no change to your taxable income.

Second, if you plan on leaving some money to your heirs, then it makes sense to consider the tax rate they will pay on the inherited amount. If they are working during the ten years after inheriting the account, then their tax rate (affected by the size of the RMDs, whether they can be offset with increased 401k contributions, etc.) may be higher than your current tax rate, making the Roth option more tax effective.

Third, if there is uncertainty about what income tax rates will be, the "optimum" solution might be to have some money in both account types. You won't have as good an outcome as you would if you correctly predicted your tax rate, but you also won't have as bad an outcome as you would by guessing wrong.
AAdasiak 2 months ago
I really appreciated the continued discussion on Roth vs Traditional, and the links in the show notes. I had to go back and look up the mailbag episode with Rachel Camp from June 16, 2024 and re-listen to it. This was the first time I heard that if you are in the 22%-24% tax bracket now, and anticipate being in the same tax bracket when you need to use your retirement money, that the tax outcome is the same for Roth vs. Conventional. But, it's all about how much you SPEND in retirement, right? That's really important to comprehend, since we've been focused on our EARNINGS for so many decades. I recommend re-listening to this episode. Thanks for all the thoughtful discussion!
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JaneJacquelyn 2 months ago
I have a better detour than Brad as I was listening to the podcast. I was detouring to a random city called checks Ballarat Australia. Because there are a bush fires where I was originally supposed to be. I didn’t completely use this points, but I got about half of my hotel room paid for via Accor dollars.
Jonathan Mendonsa 2 months ago
agreed thats way better!!
UncleFrank 2 months ago (edited)
Nice references to Cody and Sean's tax book, which is one of the most useful FI books to come out in a long time.

They announced they reached 10,000 sales yesterday and since Cody is a huge fan of Admiral Ackbar from Star Wars, I used AI to make the "Admiral Ackbar" tax planning summaries based on their book

The infographic will not upload here right now but Cody agreed that the slide show was fantastic, and here it is for your viewing and FI tax planning pleasure:

[drive.google.com](https://drive.google.com/file/d/1mIwMox-NsuOIGaTNPNXkHICQCsXe42LJ/view?usp=sharing)
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Tracy Holcombe 2 months ago
This slide show is incredibly creative AND informative. Thanks for sharing!
Roberto Sánchez 2 months ago
BTW, I loved the discussion/explanation about the progression in thinking about taxes: what is my marginal tax rate? -> what is my effective tax rate this year? -> how do minimize taxes over a multi-year period? -> how do I minimize taxes over my whole life?

I wonder if there is enough there for a whole episode. Maybe have Sean Mullaney and Cody Garrett to provide some examples and explain the thought process?
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Roberto Sánchez 2 months ago
OK. I'm a bit sad that the thing that resonated the most with me was left out of the highlights/summary.

It was Jonathan's comments/discussion with the guy from Apple around learning Swift. It resonated with me because of the idea of learning something purely for the joy of it. Last year I traveled to Greece, on a group tour trip that a family member convinced me to join. I made the booking a little over 12 months prior to the trip, and I thought to myself "I like languages, so I should learn Greek since I think that would be fun." So, I started learning Greek (even though on a group tour I knew that my opportunities to actually practice would be extremely limited), but I enjoyed learning it so much that I have kept at it. So, now nearly a year after the trip I have continued working on learning Greek daily.

I don't have a real, clear reason to keep learning. I don't have family there, I'm not of Greek ancestry, I don't plan to move there, I don't work for a company where speaking Greek would be helpful. But I very much enjoy learning and attempting to achieve mastery with a language that is quite a bit different from my native languages. And it seems to me like this is something which FI has made possible, by affording me the free time to engage in this long running experiment in self-directed learning.

So, I guess if I had to sum it up in a sentence/bullet point in a bullet point that might be suitable for inclusion in the show notes: One of the goals of FI is greater autonomy over how you spend your time.

Yeah, that's a bit elementary, but this episode and the previous one are all about the basics.
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Jonathan Mendonsa 2 months ago
done - good addition !
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Jonathan Mendonsa 2 months ago
Looking forward to continuing the discussion here this week!
Roberto Sánchez 2 months ago
It's weird, but today's episode doesn't have a link that takes you from the episode under the 'Podcast' tab to this discussion. But the previous episodes have such a link.
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kirstee_baxt 1 month ago
Just a side note, there are some AI responses inline with the show summary 🙃
(i.e. below the 72 hour rule table it reads "Absolutely — here’s a **clean, brief show-notes version** that keeps the signal, drops the bulk, and preserves the important links.")
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Sara2011 1 month ago
Roth vs. taxable brokerage - I completely understand Brad’s point about contributing to a traditional retirement account vs Roth. After maxing out pre-tax accounts, if there is still an option to do a back door Roth, would that be a more favorable place to invest from a tax perspective than a taxable brokerage account?

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