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Is it too early to give up the golden handcuffs?

Is it too early to give up the golden handcuffs?

Woody Lord
Woody Lord 270 XP · · 14 replies

My fi situation

Ive got an opportunity to take a job that would pay half as much but I'd work half as much and I'm struggling a little with that decision.

Right now I work about 2000 hours of overtime per year in the trades. That OT often comes in last minute and unscheduled. Last minute double shifts(16 hours on) are common. We've had stretches where we're working doubles 7 days a week for several weeks in a row. Don't get me wrong, the money is great but with a wife and two small kids at home it takes a toll.

This new job would feel part time with only a 40 hour week and mostly predictable schedule.The move would allow me to be with my family more consistently, to be more reliable when making plans, and finally give me the ability to commit to recurring weekly/monthly activities.

The new gig would be mostly the same job but for a much smaller outfit(municipal instead of regional). The benefits are comparable in almost every aspect. My biggest hits would be on vacation time and take home pay/savings. Our savings rate now is around 30%

Ive built a great 11 year career doing work I love with a great big company but the unpredictability and long hours are getting old.

So my big question is: Would it be better to stick it out with the golden handcuffs job until we're closer to FI or make the leap and cut our lifestyle back? Does anyone have any thoughts?

Our FI number has always been a moving target but my wife and I are 35 and 34 years old respectively 1.5M in investments -200k left on the house with a 2.75% rate Spending around 8500/month Essential spending(mortgage/insurance/bills) around 3900/month.

Current savings rate about 30%.

Id appreciate any thoughts, questions or words of wisdom on any of this.

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Replies (14)

ejoyce

ejoyce

118 XP

17 hours ago

I don't think you'll ever regret having that time with kids! Financial situation is solid to start living your life intentionally. You got this!

tinatina

tinatina

127 XP

1 day ago

Don't forget the tax implications. Search for Colorado Taxaide and there is a mfs/mfj comparsion. It has been expanded to do more that that. Plug in your current income, then the new income. The difference is "free money". Subtract the taxes off the gross to compare what your net income would be. I think you will have 60-70% of your current income, not 50%. The other question you need to ask is if you want to stay married. I felt like a single mom with my husband working 70 hours a week. Take the new job and experience life, man.

Woody Lord

Woody Lord

233 XP

16 hours ago

That's a couple of great points Tina. My wife has been a champ the last few years as a "single mom". I'm already making moves. I really appreciate your input

lesliemacdonald

lesliemacdonald

38 XP

2 days ago

Congrats on starting a family and the nest egg you have accumulated. You highlight two options: continue your sprint to FI or pivot to a 40 hour workweek possibly slowing getting to your ‘enough number.’

You put in the hard work and built a sizable portfolio that is now wind in your sails to help carry you to FI. You now have compound interest working for you so you no longer have to do all the heavy lifting. The pay you have been earning in overtime is going to be earned in the market if you stay broadly diversified in low cost funds and just stay the course through market volatility.

Also, you work in the trades. I suspect that if you took the 40-hour per week job you would have ample opportunity to earn extra income in a side hustle where you then have control over if and when you work extra. So I don’t think you are necessarily forfeiting extra pay with the other job - it would just be extra pay on your terms.

Your schedule doesn’t allow much time for reading but maybe you could get the audio version of Morgen Housel’s books on the psychology of money and spending - or listen to his interviews on YouTube. He has a lot of important insights into the mind games that can wreak havoc on our ability to enjoy the fruits of our labor and keep us tied to the treadmill.

Wishing you all the best.

Woody Lord

Woody Lord

233 XP

16 hours ago

Great points Leslie Thank you.

Ive been playing with all sorts of calculators lately and you're 100% right. The flywheel is already spinning and my investments are already funding themselves faster than I am.

I'm decided. I'm stepping off the hampsterwheel onto a slower, smaller….more manageable hamster wheel. 😆

lesliemacdonald

lesliemacdonald

38 XP

15 hours ago

Congrats! 🎈🎉

PrettyFIDadKY

PrettyFIDadKY

85 XP

2 days ago

You will never get this time back with your young children. Don’t pass up that gift.

BostonFI

BostonFI

5,930 XP

1 week ago

I don't know all of your numbers, but you might play with a free online tool to get an idea of how close you are to FI based on your two scenarios. I guessed at some of your numbers to make this graph on engaging data dot com. Knowing you may be closer than you think could help in making the decision.

If you want a more robust answer on how close or far you are, you could try out a tool like ProjectionLab or Boldin. Both have free trials.

You might also pick up the book, The Top Five Regrets of the Dying by Bronnie Ware (or read her own "Cliff's Notes" version here) for some motivating perspective.

Woody Lord

Woody Lord

233 XP

1 week ago

These are some great resources. Thank you.

I appreciate your encouragement. It's one thing to play with numbers on a tool like this and another to make a big life change and now that im facing a choice like that im balking a little more than I thought I would.

BostonFI

BostonFI

5,930 XP

1 week ago

Totally natural and understandable. I have two quotes to share from Alan and Katie Donegan's Extraordinary Life course that might help your decision process.

What are you optimizing for?

Reading what you've written so far, you appear to be optimizing time to FI. The decision to work less, earn less means increasing your time to FI. You might give yourself space to think about how your time has value and whether optimizing time to FI is spending that value where you want to spend it. No judgement.

Everything you want in life is outside your comfort zone.

I have this one written on a magnetic whiteboard on my refrigerator where I can see it every day. This message resonates with me and I repeat it to myself whenever I hem and haw over a decision or chronically procrastinate something that I want to do but keep putting off.

Woody Lord

Woody Lord

233 XP

6 days ago

Those are really good quotes. The Donnegans are great!

I see that second one and think to myself "I am uncomfortable now. That's why I want to change". So its almost like choosing which hard path to take. Good one to think about.

roberto -

roberto -

3,588 XP

1 week ago

The whole thing essentially comes down to whether you place higher value on more time with your family now, or higher value on reaching the FI goal sooner. As children get older, they need (and want) less parental involvement. So, if you keep your foot on the gas 5 more years (for instance), will your kids benefit from more time/attention from you at that point rather than now.

Also, you don't mention if your wife is employed outside the home or whether she is a full-time mom. That is an immensely important factor. If one parent is home full-time, then that is great for the children. If both parents are working, then in my mind that makes it even more important to find opportunities for more parental time/involvement with the kids. Also, you are probably Coast FI, but I'm not sure for what age target (since your spending will almost certainly decline substantially in the coming years). You'd need to project things like your mortgage going away and child-related expenses ending to get an accurate picture if when you could realistically FIRE based on coasting with your current savings.

So, all of that said and knowing what I know now from my own FIRE experience and what I've read about others' experiences (like Mr. 1500 Days, Doc G, etc.), if I were in your shoes I would downshift now. Starting with $1.5M today, if you don't save another dollar and coast until age 50 you end up with most likely with around $6M, which would support a $240k/year spend at 4%. In fact, after typing that, I think you might actually be far closer than you think at the moment. I wouldn't be surprised if you only need to coast 5-ish more years (i.e., work only covering your expenses without adding to the portfolio) to arrive at a portfolio that could cover your current spending. You really should punch all the numbers into a Coast FI calculator or other simulator and see what it spits out.

Woody Lord

Woody Lord

233 XP

1 week ago

Thank you for your quick feedback Roberto. You're right, I didn't give a complete picture. Ive never been much of an open book. I'm usually uncomfortable with the idea of sharing info like that but I thought I'd start here. Baby steps. Thanks for bearing with me. 🫠

You also make some really good points about values and how those should line up. We can make more money but we only get little kids for a few years.

The downshift is the right move. Its just hard to swallow. The scarcity brain is screaming about all the possible worst case scenarios. Even those that are highly unlikely.

I've played with some calculators (shout out to the fioneers) and your guess is accurate. We wouldn't have to coast too long before we're across the finish line. The numbers look good. Very good.

I know what the directionally accurate move is and its probably high time I leaned that way. Family, community and friends are what a full life is about and not some arbitrary number on a screen.

roberto -

roberto -

3,588 XP

1 week ago

No worries on the limited details. I can certainly relate. I'm sufficiently cautious/fearful to where I am very hesitant to share much personal info in an open forum online.

It's good that you recognize that your hesitation at this point is cognitive in nature (i.e., the "scarcity brain", I love that term BTW). There is also the reality that we live in a culture that idolizes work. And if you aren't working, well then you aren't really anything. This is especially apparent for women who want to be stay at home moms. I've seen, even in my own family, where a young husband and wife decide that the wife will stay at home with the kids and the reaction from other women in the family is really negative towards that. The treatment a lot of the time is along the lines of "but doesn't she want to do anything meaningful with her life?"

That said, at least the idea of a stay at home mom is something that people inherently grasp even if not everyone thinks it's a good approach. After all, it was the norm for essentially all of human history up until very recently. However, the idea of a working man quitting work in his 30s or 40s is not something that any meaningful percentage of the population grasps. And downshifting can, in a way, seem a lot like quitting. The point of saying all of this is that while the scarcity mindset is very real and I have no doubt you're experiencing it (it is by far the biggest mental hurdle for me), your trajectory eventually leading to early retirement and even your near-term decision to downshift, require you to swim upstream against a fairly strong cultural current relating to working hard for your whole life.

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