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23 yr old U.S. Expat Requesting Investing Advice

23 yr old U.S. Expat Requesting Investing Advice

Oliver Collington
Oliver Collington 45 XP · · 14 replies

Hi, my name is Oliver Collington. I’m 23 years old, I grew up in New Jersey and am a U.S. citizen but have moved to Iceland.

My goal with this post is to figure out a simple, low cost, effective investing strategy that I can implement while living here in Iceland.

Thus far, I haven’t invested into funds such as VTI nor VTSAX because I’m blocked by the European Union's PRIIPs Regulation

I have been able to invest into VUAA (through IBKR), which emulates the SMP 500 but is based in the UK, thus my investing into it triggers PFIC taxation on my U.S. taxes, which turns low cost fund into not so low cost… and likely extra tax work from what I’ve heard. It is only in the last few months that I invested some savings into the VUAA fund. Thus, I don’t know what it’ll actually cost in time and money when I get to U.S. tax filing.

I do have a brokerage account with Schwab, which I opened in Iceland and used my Icelandic address as my residence in the application form for the account. Thus I was still not able to invest into VTSAX or the like once the account was opened.

Over this past summer I requested an address change ( to a U.S. domiciled address) for my Schwab account. The address change has not been fully approved yet. Schwab is now waiting on me to complete an account update form.

But before I complete that address change, I want to know if it is likely that New Jersey will charge me state tax on my foreign income if I put a NJ address as my residence within my Schwab account?

Also, is there another viable option for low cost, simple investing as a U.S. expat in Iceland that I ought to know?

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kfire

kfire

245 XP

1 month ago

Schwab Global might be a good option for you (ties in with your existing Schwab One account). Their number is 800-992-4685, super helpful folks.

Oliver Collington

Oliver Collington

45 XP

3 weeks ago

And indeed, super helpful folks!! Every time I’ve called Schwab it’s been such a delight to communicate with them.

Oliver Collington

Oliver Collington

45 XP

3 weeks ago

Thanks for the tip. I’ll call them just to check it out but I think they’ll only allow me to hold or liquidate U.S. based funds but not purchase more of them… if Iceland is my residence

vollelektrisch

vollelektrisch

41 XP

1 month ago

Addendum: your Vanguard investments will, of course, be subject to both US federal income tax and Icelandic tax (make sure to use foreign tax credits so you are not overpaying), but probably not NJ state income tax.

vollelektrisch

vollelektrisch

41 XP

1 month ago

Hey Oliver. I'm a US citizen living in Germany and I've seen this topic repeatedly. The solution is simple: you can open a Vanguard account. You just need to use your New Jersey address on the application. Then as soon as the account is established you can immediately change the address on file to your real address in Iceland. I have done this for the past 17 years and never had any problems with Vanguard. Note that Schwab and Fidelity are more picky and this trick probably won't work with them. I have no knowledge of NJ tax, but if NJ doesn't consider you a resident, you shouldn't be liable to NJ income tax on those investments just because you had a NJ address on file with Vanguard for 5 minutes. Hope this helps!

Oliver Collington

Oliver Collington

45 XP

3 weeks ago

Hey my first VTI purchase with vanguard was a success!

I’m wondering if it should be alright to make deposits into the vanguard account straight from an Icelandic bank account, or only make deposits from U.S. bank accounts?

vollelektrisch

vollelektrisch

41 XP

3 weeks ago

US account will be easier.

Oliver Collington

Oliver Collington

45 XP

3 weeks ago

Hey thanks for this. I went ahead and made a vanguard account yesterday and put in a purchase for VTI which won’t go through til Monday I assume. Today I changed the address on the account back to my Icelandic address. I’ll update yall on whether or not it works for me.

Oliver Collington

Oliver Collington

45 XP

1 month ago

I’ve also heard (through ChooseFI podcast episode 217) that I can set up legal residence in a state that does not have state income tax. Apparently, South Dakota is an easy one being that you only have to be in the state for 1 night of the year?

Florida seems viable for me because I have family there and could likely use their address for my residency and mailing address. I’d also have to obtain my Florida drivers license and hand in my NJ license

  • register to vote in Florida while I’m at the dmv

File a declaration of domicile with the Clerk of the Circuit Court in the county where my address would be (document must be notarized)

Notify irs with form 8822 of my address change

Update mailing and billing addresses on all bank accounts

Think I got all the steps covered for what I would need to do to have Florida become my tax home

Tu Nguyen

Tu Nguyen

47 XP

1 month ago

hello! I'm not a lawyer, but it seems that for the purposes of establishing residency you legally only need to satisfy what the state's statute outlines (if there is one). florida's statute really only requires sworn statements of your intention to domicile, but registering to vote, changing your ID, etc. are all good bases to cover to support your intent. I did the same when I changed residency from california to nevada. btw, are you in iceland for just a short period? the term "expat" perpetuates prejudice and discrimination against manual labor migrant workers by implying a distinction and reinforcing class divide. using "immigrant" (if that's the case) would be more in solidarity 🙌🏽

Oliver Collington

Oliver Collington

45 XP

3 weeks ago

Thanks for sharing this.

so who would you consider as an “expat”?

Tu Nguyen

Tu Nguyen

47 XP

3 weeks ago

I think most people use it as a euphemism for immigrant because immigrants are still stigmatized in many parts of the world and people continue to believe stereotypes of what an immigrant looks like, so using the term expat serves to distinguish and distance from that as a means to protect and preserve one's status and identity.

Oliver Collington

Oliver Collington

45 XP

3 weeks ago

Okay. To me, when I say I’m a “us expat” it kind of just means hey I still have to report my global income to the U.S. and am supposed to pay hefty taxes if I invest in non U.S. mutual funds.

Oliver Collington

Oliver Collington

45 XP

1 month ago

There’s also the question of how Iceland might tax my investments if, say, I’m able to invest into vtsax.

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