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Next step after paying off mortgage

Next step after paying off mortgage

etravels16
etravels16 547 XP · · 5 replies

We're in the fortunate position of paying off our mortgage and having no other liabilities to pay off. Now we're trying to decide where we should put our money next. I think we're leaning toward maxing out our HSA. Our Roths are maxed out. We also have a 403b and a brokerage account as well. Any other suggestions?

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etravels16

etravels16

447 XP

5 months ago

We're about 75k from fully FI. 46/53. We plan to leave our high stress jobs in the next 3 years for something we enjoy more and can work PT or near, with one of us having insurance. We don't plan to pull from our investments until 60ish. We don't have any kids so we're pretty flexible. We have 675k in the 403b, 200k taxable, another 200k in the Roths. Low COLA, low expenses.

Roberto Sánchez

Roberto Sánchez

3,299 XP

5 months ago

That's the crux of the trade-off. Do you want to save on taxes (and up with a bit less flexibility) or do you want to increase your flexibility (and perhaps pay a bit more tax).

One good example of where the added flexibility might come in handy is if you decide to move. I'm assuming from your username that you are in Omaha. So, if you had $500k in the brokerage, you would have enough to be able to liquidate a chunk of that (taking tax consequences into account, of course) and buy the new house in cash. You could move at your leisure and then sell the old house without being a in a rush. The normal way that people handle buying/selling when moving is to make the purchase contingent on the sale. However, if you come in without a sale contingency and with cash, that makes you a much more attractive buyer. So, if your market is competitive that might very well give you the edge.

Of course, there are other ways in which a healthy brokerage balance gives you additional options that the same money in a retirement doesn't give you. But if you don't need/want all the flexibility, then socking money away in the HSA and 403(b) is likely to be winning play for a dual-income couple with no children.

etravels16

etravels16

447 XP

5 months ago

This is extremely helpful! Thank you. My only thought with not putting the bulk of it in the taxable account is that we might need to bring down our income to help with taxes now that we don't have any write offs. Since we don't have any children. That was what was pulling me towards the HSA or 403b. Of course we could split it.

Roberto Sánchez

Roberto Sánchez

3,299 XP

5 months ago

OK. That's tremendously helpful. Since your plan is to go PT in 3-ish years but not start drawing from investments for 10-15 years, I think that there are 2 basic ways to proceed. For me, I found that having 80-90% of my savings in retirement accounts and only 10-20% in the brokerage put me in a situation where I lacked some of the flexibility I would have liked. So, I think beefing up the taxable brokerage would be a good choice. The downside is that if you are a high income earner, then you are in a high marginal tax bracket, and if you aren't maxing the 403(b) and/or HSA but putting money in the brokerage, you are forcing the tax on the money today.

The other possibility is to max the 403(b) and/or HSA for as long as you can and only put money in the brokerage after you have maxed the 403(b), the HSA, and the Roths. This has the advantage of saving on the high marginal tax bracket, but the trade-off is that you have a bit less flexibility. If you don't need the flexibility (i.e, you're not planning to uproot and move across the country or overseas, you're not planning on some expensive luxury travel the world for a year type of thing), then this is probably the more tax efficient approach.

Note that given your timeline, I don't think that you need to jump through hoops for Roth conversions. One of you will be 59.5 in 6-ish years, at which point you just make normal withdrawals from the retirement account as needed.

I'm definitely not a financial professional, so please take the above for what it is: the rantings of a random guy on the Internet.

Roberto Sánchez

Roberto Sánchez

3,299 XP

5 months ago

That all depends on your current asset allocation and account-type mix, as well when you plan to stop working (or reduce your amount of work, change careers, etc.), when you think you might need to start drawing from your portfolio, how much you think you'll need from the portfolio once you start drawing from it, etc. Are you able to share more details about your situation and future plans?

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