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Solo 401K Penalty Disaster

CC C
CC C 24 XP · · 3 replies

Hello All,

I've never reached out to a community forum before but I figure if ever there was a time to crowd source some help, now would be it. I will preface this by saying it is difficult to write this (I have not told anyone else in my life about this situation) because I made a number of (significant) mistakes along the way and I feel very frustrated at myself for not reaching out for professional help sooner. Suffice it to say that I do have a tax lawyer representing me now but in my panic to resolve this issue (you might understand why momentarily) I am not sure I selected a team with explicit expertise in this area. So here goes.

I have a solo 401k plan with Fidelity that I set up in 2017 when I started receiving 1099 income. Since then I have alternatively and sometimes simultaneously had both W2 and 1099 income for any given year. I am set up as a sole proprietor and do not have my 1099 income going to an LLC. I (finally) realized earlier this year that I should have been filing form 5500-EZ for this account on a yearly basis since 2020 when my account first exceeded 250K. I decided to attempt to do this back filing on my own and to pay the delinquent fee ($500 per year, maxing at $1500 total) using Form 14704 (Form 5500-EZ Delinquent Filer Penalty Relief Program). I ended up filing each past plan year electronically before reading more about Form 14704 and speaking to someone at the Department of Labor who informed me that I needed to do this process via mail / hard copy. So I effectively re-sent all of the documents that I initially sent electronically, along with 14704 and my payment in May of this year. The IRS cashed that payment shortly after I sent it in and I received a letter in August stating the following: "We received your payment of $1500 with the Form 14704 . . . Our records indicate the fee was paid for your Form 5500-EZ returns for the accounts listed above [listing all five years worth of past due plan years]. We have accepted your plan into the program and no other action will be taken on these accounts at this time." The plan number indicated on all forms filed (hardcopy and electronic) and this document was 001.

Cue one week ago, 11/2 - I received five CP238 penalty notices from the IRS with penalties for each year 2020 through 2023 for $150,000 (that's right - $600,000) and one for 2024 of $68,000. Total penalty = 668K. The penalty for delinquent filing is $1,000 per day up to $150,000 per plan year. No other information was provided with these notices but the plan referenced on these documents is 0002 (I only have one plan), they reference Form 5500 (not 5500-EZ) and the due date for this exorbitant fee is December 2nd, 2026. Hence the panic call to obtain counsel and now the (excruciating) waiting for them to get back to me about next steps. I am in such a state about this that I practically feel paralyzed. I am terrified that I have somehow completely botched my entire solo 401K set up due to trying to DIY everything and that this will ultimately lead to additional audits and fees. I feel angry that I wasn't issued any kind of warning by the IRS because all of the documentation I've read is that once you receive the actual penalty it is not possible to use the delinquent filer forgiveness programs. I am also wondering how this level of punishment could possible fit the "crime". I am not far off from retirement but 668K would essentially ruin me financially (I don't have anywhere close to this amount of liquidity). In short, I am a mess. Is there any one out there that has had a similar experience or can offer me advice on how to deal with / think about this situation?

Thank you,

CC

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Replies (3)

Ycg1882

Ycg1882

133 XP

3 days ago

Thank you for raising this! I think we may also be in the same situation of not filing this form. We didn’t even know this is required. Our accountant never told us about this. Can I reach out to see what is best to do in this situation?

stephonee

stephonee

293 XP

4 days ago

First of all, thank you for sharing your story. I know this must be a horrifying experience, and as a fellow Solo 401(k) plan owner, I am grateful for the reminder about the ongoing paperwork required. I hope other Solo 401(k) owners do see this, and do what I have just done (set a calendar reminder each year to check whether the balance has gone over $250k).

Now, although I have not been through this at all, since you haven't yet received any other comments, I'd like to at least give you my read on the situation. Based on my reading of the IRS website and this White Coat Investor post (If You Forgot to File This 401(k) Form, Here’s How to Avoid Massive Penalties

*), it sounds like you did the right things once you discovered the mistake. You have proof of that, in the form of the IRS letter from August.

If I were in your shoes, I would call the IRS on Thursday. (I assume they are closed for Veterans Day tomorrow.) According to the IRS website, if you got a penalty notice, "If you can correct an issue in the notice, there may be reduced or no penalty." There's more information on that linked page. But it sounds like this could be resolved over the phone by explaining that plan 0002 does not exist, and that you have an IRS letter confirming that you are now up-to-date on the forms for plan 001. I would follow this up with a letter stating exactly that, and a copy of their letter from August, sent in the mail either certified mail or with a return receipt, so that there is proof of sending the letter in.

There is at least one example of someone this happened to on Reddit, and it took 5 months to finally get it resolved down to $0.00: https://www.reddit.com/r/tax/comments/15t087p/filed_form_5500ez_late_and_two_years_later/ I'm sorry if this is the case with you as well - I hope for a quicker resolution for you!

*A note to others who might read the White Coat Investor article I linked here: although it contains the useful info, there is a part of it that is somewhat confusing, and I see others who were confused by it in the comments. The article talks about using Form 14704 to pay the reduced penalty and Penalty Relief Due to Reasonable Cause in the same "breath." They are separate things - you can do either, but filing for relief due to reasonable cause and then being denied would make you ineligible to then fileForm 14704, and you could be on the hook for the whole penalty in that case. In other words, you can pay the reduced $500-$1500 penalty, or ask for full relief due to reasonable cause, but you have to choose. It seems safer unless you absolutely have one of the listed reasonable cause issues (and documentation thereof) to pay the $500-$1500 penalty, as OP did here.

CC C

CC C

18 XP

3 days ago

Stephonee - I cannot express how much I appreciate your response which you clearly spent some time researching and putting together. As you mentioned, I very much hope that the community takes note of my situation and reviews their solo 401K balance and the form 5500 requirement. I am going to do my best to get this resolved with the IRS - I keep reminding myself that I did follow the delinquent filer process, the IRS did cash my check and I do have a letter that says they accepted my plan, with all plan years, into the program. I will update this post as the process proceeds. Again, thank you and thank you.

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